Did someone put some high lift knives on it that are throwing it over? Once the mat of heavy hay starts feeding in the rolls it should suck most of it through and not go over. Otherwise are you missing a shield over the rolls?
New Idea 5209/Case 3309 Conditioner Question
I am new to disc conditioners and finally got to use my 5209 yesterday that I picked up over the winter. It seems that a fair amount of the hay is going over the top of the top roller instead of through the rolls to be conditioned.
Is there any kind of adjustment that changes that? I have a manual on order. I tried to order the online version from Agco and that failed.
I am guessing that a higher roll gap would allow more hay to get sent into the rolls. However, if I expand the gap then it might not get smashed as well. Is there a need to work on Roll Timing?
1st cutting is thick so maybe there is too much headed at the rolls to do it all. I don't feel the stems are as broken as they should be is why I am questioning the setup.
Thanks for any info and direction.
Is there any kind of adjustment that changes that? I have a manual on order. I tried to order the online version from Agco and that failed.
I am guessing that a higher roll gap would allow more hay to get sent into the rolls. However, if I expand the gap then it might not get smashed as well. Is there a need to work on Roll Timing?
1st cutting is thick so maybe there is too much headed at the rolls to do it all. I don't feel the stems are as broken as they should be is why I am questioning the setup.
Thanks for any info and direction.
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Knives are brand new and they are supposed to be the 11 degree knives and not the 18 degree knives. I bought them from Shoup.
I will have to check for the missing shield.
I also tried changing the angle of the entire cutter bar and didn't matter.
I will have to check for the missing shield.
I also tried changing the angle of the entire cutter bar and didn't matter.
I've had one of those mowers for years and never have had it do that. The rolls have to mesh together so not much adjustment on timing also have my rolls as tight as they can be without hitting each other. As far as knives it doesn't seem picky on what's on it, I've had bent one from hitting rocks and it just cuts hay. The thing you might try is the angle adjustment that controls how high or low it cuts although I've changed mine for different reasons and still seems to work. When I first got mine I had hay piling up in front of it and was told by someone that I should go faster and since then it's been great, just cuts everything short or tall.
The discbine dr. that used to be on here is very knowledgeable on those mowers and sells parts for them, maybe could help if you can't get it to work.
The discbine dr. that used to be on here is very knowledgeable on those mowers and sells parts for them, maybe could help if you can't get it to work.
Thanks for the replies. I don't see a missing shield. It is hard to see exactly how much is coming over top versus through the rollers. I am going to cut some more in a few days so I will take more time to figure it out. I can't see much of a gap in the rollers. I did find a tin foil test that I can do on the conditioners that doesn't require hay so will try that as soon as I can get some time. The only way I could watch the rollers was to have my son slow down. Going faster doesn't allow me to see the behavior. I will take a picture of my stems that I don't think are getting smashed to make sure my expectations are correct. It is possible that they are in fact going through the rollers at higher speeds but aren't getting conditioned properly due to incorrect gap.
If you look above the cutter bar, there's a couple of sheet metal panels held on with a bunch bolts that cover the tension springs. The springs have a chain on each end that's hooked to the bracket that holds the top roller. Ive broken one of those chains so there would be no tension on that side, maybe you have a broken chain or maybe just loose and needs to be adjusted or maybe it needs more tension on the springs, just throwing stuff out there. There's a good sized bolt on each end of top roll that controls how tight the rolls go together and that's on the outside easy to get at under a lift up cover. You don't need any hay going through it to adjust the roll you can probably just lower the top roll until it touches the bottom roll then just lift it up so it doesn't. Also there's a sprocket on each side that the chain goes over that's visible from the outside that could be frozen so it doesn't turn with the chain and that might effect the tension
Thanks for the ideas. I will look at them. I also got a copy of the manual now so will be looking at it.If you look above the cutter bar, there's a couple of sheet metal panels held on with a bunch bolts that cover the tension springs. The springs have a chain on each end that's hooked to the bracket that holds the top roller. Ive broken one of those chains so there would be no tension on that side, maybe you have a broken chain or maybe just loose and needs to be adjusted or maybe it needs more tension on the springs, just throwing stuff out there. There's a good sized bolt on each end of top roll that controls how tight the rolls go together and that's on the outside easy to get at under a lift up cover. You don't need any hay going through it to adjust the roll you can probably just lower the top roll until it touches the bottom roll then just lift it up so it doesn't. Also there's a sprocket on each side that the chain goes over that's visible from the outside that could be frozen so it doesn't turn with the chain and that might effect the tension
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