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New Holland RB 460 Net Wrap Issue

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I recently picked up a 2021 RB460 with less than 200 rolls on it and am having some net wrap issues. On the attached picture the wrap is torn across the middle of the bale. I have checked the rollers and belts and don't see anything that could be causing the net wrap to tear like this. Any other ideas on what I should be looking for?
 

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Too much density pressure + the bale is overfilled at the middle. You either need to drop the density pressure, or get the windrow shaped more uniformly across its width or a better weaving technique if you have very small narrow windrows.
 
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Congrats on the pickup! With under 200 rolls, wear shouldn’t be the issue—have you checked net tension settings or timing of the wrap cycle? Sometimes early feed-in while crop is still entering can cause mid-bale tearing. Also worth inspecting the brake and feed rollers for subtle misalignment or debris.
 
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Most likely AI garbage above ^^

Another distinct possibility is that the belts are damaging the net during bale ejection. Does this baler have the belt declutch, if not, how rapidly is the door opening? If it seems relatively slow, what tractor is powering the baler?
 
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If a T6-155 has the hydraulic flow set fast enough it should open the door rapidly enough to avoid net scuffing. All my balers either never had the declutch or it got deleted and I never see net scuffing.

I think most of the problem is the bale being overfilled at the center + 1600 PSI.

One of the very first problems I encountered when I went from BR to RB New Holland round balers was net rupture. I found that the RB balers will stress the net to the point of splitting sooner than a BR baler at the same pressure. Seems somehow the RB balers can generate more density at the same PSI, though how I have not be able to determine with casual examination.

My suggestion would be to either address the bale shape (best option for a variety of reasons) or reduce the density pressure a couple hundred lbs or, and mike10 will probably chastise me for this, you could try reducing the net brake drag some.
 
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If a T6-155 has the hydraulic flow set fast enough it should open the door rapidly enough to avoid net scuffing. All my balers either never had the declutch or it got deleted and I never see net scuffing.

I think most of the problem is the bale being overfilled at the center + 1600 PSI.

One of the very first problems I encountered when I went from BR to RB New Holland round balers was net rupture. I found that the RB balers will stress the net to the point of splitting sooner than a BR baler at the same pressure. Seems somehow the RB balers can generate more density at the same PSI, though how I have not be able to determine with casual examination.

My suggestion would be to either address the bale shape (best option for a variety of reasons) or reduce the density pressure a couple hundred lbs or, and mike10 will probably chastise me for this, you could try reducing the net brake drag some.
Thanks for the suggestions. I did fail to mention this was a re-bale bale. That's the main cause for the shape. I was baling some haylegde and had some net wrap get around one of the rollers and that caused net to tear so I unrolled the bale, fluffed it out and baled it later when it dried out. I have seen a couple other rolls with the same issue as the above picture though. The haylegde bales were perfect except for the net wrap getting around the roller. I have baled less than 100 rolls with this baler so far so I'm working out the kinks and trying to get used to it.
With my old BR7060 I would run around 1850 psi so it's good to know that the 460 should run at lower psi. The first dry hay I baled i was at 1200 core and 2000 outer based on the owners manual suggestions. I lowered it because I was baling the hayledge.
 
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Some things to think about. The most notable, as pointed out, is bale shape. You need to fill out the ends of the bale. If you are avoiding driving over the hay then you need to move the wheels out. If you are like most operators the left side of the bale is always short hay. Are the stripes on the left side? The bale in the photo is mainly supported by the middle of the bale. A larger bale and a heavier bale than the 7060 puts more pressure on the net. When you add the bale being supported by the middle of the bale the net is more likely to fail. Short dry hay will pack tighter than longer stemmed hay. Almost all calls I received of the 560 pto cut out clutch releasing was in second cutting hay.

I do not believe this is a baler problem unless there is a sharp corners on the bale ramp.

Quality of net may also be a factor.

Your tractor should have enough hyd flow to get the gate open quickly. If you see the tailgate hesitate after the initial push from the bale, then make sure the flow from the tractor is not being slowed down by the flow controls.
 
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You asked about stripes being on the left side. Assuming you're asking about the net roll? Yes they are on the left side. The manual suggests 1200 core pressure and 2000 outer for grass hay. At this pressure it's a lot heavier bale than 2000 psi with my 7060 with 60" bales. Should I lower the psi?
I did check the bale ramp and everything is pretty smooth on it.
 
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Gearclash may have a point about the net brake, though the rolls are compressing the bale at the point of net insertion so any additional net tension will not compress the bale, but probably does stretch the net more. What I have found is the brake force increases on new balers as you use the baler. This usually manifests itself when the duckbill stalls. It is something worth checking. I think there are YouTube videos on how to perform the net pull test.
 
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Your haylage moisture content may be different from ours around here for haylage. As such the hydraulic pressure may be different. Hay is baled fairly wet around here so I tell customers to start at 1000 psi and see how heavy the bales are. Since the bales are wrapped by a continuous moving wrapper the bale diameter is limited to 60". Your hay in the bale looks drier than what is baled for haylage here. In the spring I would say more than 50% of the first cutting hay in our area is put up as haylage because of the short window for drying.
 
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Several thoughts:

First, it looks like you might be at the end of the roll. It appears there is a red stripe on the right.

Second, do you idle down to drop the bale. If the bale is spinning at baling speed, you might be tearing the wrap up when it hits the ground.

Third, check the roll for rips or tears. Last year, I had a critter of some kind chew up a brand new roll. took about 4 bales to get through the tears.

Finally, how old is the roll of net wrap. Some brands tend to deteriorate in a year or two.

Ralph