So looking around and found a site called buckwild innovations I guess they are a new company. They have a product that is called the hay ring mover. It moves the hay bale and the ring at the same time. Attaches to a three point hitch and the front also, they are just now coming out with them in Tennessee co-ops would like to get them here in Ohio think about calling them and asking to have one shipped they seem awesome. They have a video on there showing how they use it and its spectacular, best idea ever. Better than walking out in the snow flipping rings and moving them and mess my ring you up with the spear and stuff, now I can buy the heaviest ring there is and don't have to worry about picking it up. Just thought I would let everyone know get it passed around, they are supposed to be going to different states soon. Let's hope for the best so we can have a great winter instead of a nasty messy one.