You would need a Kuhns tie grabber for improved efficiency to go along with the 15 accumulator.

Regards, Mike

 

I wouldn’t attempt without the tie grabber.

 

I run a 1035(?) - 10 bale on edge, no tie row. Without the tie grabber. I stack 4 high in the field on ~8' wide wagons. Here in Western PA, I have to haul across and down hills. I have developed a few tricks to wagon stacking so I can get the loads to the barn.
1. Got to be pretty picky about loading the grabs to makes sure the sides of the wagon stack are as vertical as possible.
2. My wagons are tad longer than need be. That way I can put a little fore/aft space between grabs on the lower levels. With that, and some staggered rear racks, I can create small 'steps' on the front for stability. In the pics below, I put three grabs front to back on each layer. Four layers high. Each grab is ~6' so I built the wagon deck 20' long.
3. I have a front rack that is hinged. Folds forward to allow clearance for loading and unloading with the same grapple.
4. I run a ratchet strap between the front and rear racks on both sides. The strap goes across on the 3rd layer (of 4). It pulls the front rack back tight and against the stack and squeezes the stack. And if the stack wants to roll off the sides, the strap holds it. And at that level, I can put and take off the strap standing on the ground (don't have to climb on the wagon to put on or take off the strap.)

Below are pics my most recent wagon design I built last spring and used last summer. I have 8 wagons, all of slightly different design as I have learned from each design to improve the next one. This wagon holds 120 bales. As you can see the hills in the background, 120 bales is about all I want on a wagon behind my tractor coming off these hills.

A tie grabber would be sweet, but I got my setup before the tie grabber came out. I can't seem to pencil out the $$$ for a tie grabber when what I have works for me. So it can be done without the tie grabber.

Hope some of these tricks and ideas help.

 

I had a neighbor that ran an older table type accumulator that dropped 15 bales on edge. He seemed to get along fine without a tie grapple, but I can't say I ever saw him stack more than 5 layers high. I'm only speculating, but I would think 6-7 layers is going to going to be a little tough without tie layers, or a tie grapple unless you have really smooth level fields, and are not going far to your storage. That's 10.5 feet of height on top of your wagon deck height, so you'll need some reach. Remember each layer is 4" taller when you move to an on edge configuration.

Can you do 7 layers with your 1036 grabs?

 

I would be looking at the 15 bale flat model, not edge. If we move the cylinder pins on our loader to the high lift holes, we can just set 8 flat layers on a wagon.

5 layers on edge that your neighbor did equates to 6.5 flat layers, but a flat bale should be a little more stable.

 

I am only doing an 8 bale pack, but I have to road transport from field to barn. I "bit the bullet" this year and bought a tie grabber. I am an instant fan!

 

I really like the way you built your wagon with the front rack tilting. I do have a question how do you position the front rack when you
transport the wagon empty?

 

I really like the way you built your wagon with the front rack tilting. I do have a question how do you position the front rack when you
transport the wagon empty?

It folds all the way back and lays on the floor of the wagon.

 

Friend has the 18 bale on edge in steep hill country, he hauls on wagons I think 3 or 4 tier high without too much trouble, tosses a strap around the load if on the road.

 

We run the AE15, with 15 bales on edge, and use the tie-grabber. In my opinion, the tie-grabber is a must with the 15-bale edge configuration, and I would not run without it. I am not sure if the tie-grabber would be as essential with the flat configuration, but I am sure it would be an improvement. The pictures below show how we haul from the field to the barn. Our wagons and trailers are 8.5' wide.

 

We also use a kuhn 15 grabber with the tie grapple . Bales are on edge. Our wagons are 32 foot long and 102 inches wide . We never tie them in. We can load 300 bales on a wagon going 4 tiers high using a Jd 244k loader. If telehandler was used 5 high is possible but tight on height if we needed to store in the shed at night. Both ends can tip out.

 

Our wagons are 32 foot long and 102 inches wide .

Can I ask where you got your hay wagons with the tip out ends? I have seen EZ Trail offer this, but when I reached out to a salesman to inquire about details and price, all I got back was the sound of crickets. Guess they were too busy selling wagons to talk to anyone who wants to buy wagons. So I made my own. But still curious about who makes wagons with the tip out feature.

 

For those of you running tie grabbers, how well do they work for unloading? It looks like it would be tricky fitting the side plate between grabs without catching the tie string or the bales. Is the squeeze arm easily removable?

 

I haven't used one, but when talking with the Kuhn sales rep at the farm machinery show last month he mentioned that if you use a tie grabber, you really need a regular grabber as well for unloading and stacking/storing. His comments were that you really don't want to use the tie grabber for unloading and stacking because of it's extra bulk, and the squeeze arm on the right keeping you from stacking as tight in the barn. I'm sure one of the tie grabber users will chime in here with first hand experience.

 

I agree with not using the tie grabber for unloading - we used the tie grabber for unloading for the first season, and it was very frustrating for the reasons described above. Instead, we purchased a Steffens grabber for use in the barn, because it grabs the bales from above and does not have arms on either side. It has worked well for us loading and unloading in the barn, and we can stack tight.