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Best side delivery rake make and model?

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Looking at getting into a nice side delivery rake. What was/is a good make and model of rake? Is a 3pt model best? pull-type? or dolly wheel? looking at spend $1-1500. Thanks in advance.
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New Holland 256

I don't know anyone that likes a 3pt rake. I know some like dollies but I prefer no dolly. I hook a 256 to a drawbar essentially making it a 2 point. I set the rake so I can lift it above the swath as I turn and lower to my stop when I want to rake again.
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I also have a NH 256, but with dolly wheels. Had a JD 640 before that. I believe you can turn shorter with dolly wheel, but can be a pain backing up with that short tongue. :eek: The JD mounted the back tire on the old Ford 2000 quite a few times, when my grandfather raked for some odd reason. :rolleyes:

Now with the dolly wheel rake if I'm using it, I'm pulling it with a UTV, which uses even less gas than the old Ford 2000. Using a UTV, seems easier to get on/off while opening/closing gates even. ;)

HTH

Larry
New Holland 256

I don't know anyone that likes a 3pt rake. I know some like dollies but I prefer no dolly. I hook a 256 to a drawbar essentially making it a 2 point. I set the rake so I can lift it above the swath as I turn and lower to my stop when I want to rake again.
Any notorious issues with them (big or small) that I as the buyer should inspect while on my search for one?
I also have a NH 256, but with dolly wheels. Had a JD 640 before that. I believe you can turn shorter with dolly wheel, but can be a pain backing up with that short tongue. :eek: The JD mounted the back tire on the old Ford 2000 quite a few times, when my grandfather raked for some odd reason. :rolleyes:

Now with the dolly wheel rake if I'm using it, I'm pulling it with a UTV, which uses even less gas than the old Ford 2000. Using a UTV, seems easier to get on/off while opening/closing gates even. ;)

HTH

Larry
I can see how backing one of them up could be a potential pain. I'd love to use our UTV or four-wheeler but have to travel a bit to get to most of the waterways. What is a fair price on a fully functional 256??
For the money I’d go with a 256 as well. Can buy them all day long for $1000
It takes a lot to kill a 256. Don't worry about missing teeth.

They are so simple to figure out:
Initially check for cracks/bends and missing bolts. Surface rust is not an issue.
Make sure bars are straight.
Rotate bars both directions and make sure it has clearance and not sloppy.
Confirm the tires turn the bars and revolution is smooth. If it looks like it slows and speeds up, not a big deal to fix.

Tips:
Gearbox should be packed with grease. Forget the gear oil. Easy to do.
You can use car tires instead of the cleated tires.
Parts are inexpensive.
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Realistically I would say any NH from present back to a 56. I think a JD or IH or NI is going to do the same job but the aftermarket support for the New Hollands is probably unmatched.
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I use a Massey Harris 25, I think it's the same thing as a NH , mine is 3pt lift, my fields are all small and odd shaped, I like being able to lift it when needed.. Buy a few bar bearings to have on hand in case... someone put a bigger pulley on this one, I can travel at good speeds and not much over idle.. I had to replace the wheels & tires on mine, I found a set of 12" steel wheels and drilled the axle hole as needed, it's nice to not think about flat tires for a change...
I use a Massey Harris 25, I think it's the same thing as a NH , mine is 3pt lift, my fields are all small and odd shaped, I like being able to lift it when needed.. Buy a few bar bearings to have on hand in case... someone put a bigger pulley on this one, I can travel at good speeds and not much over idle.. I had to replace the wheels & tires on mine, I found a set of 12" steel wheels and drilled the axle hole as needed, it's nice to not think about flat tires for a change...
X2 for a massey 25 or (525) learned to rake on one at 8. Had it for about 25 years till I bought an Allen twin roller bar. Used to borrow the neighbour's 56 nh as well. The massey left a much nicer windrow.
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Any notorious issues with them (big or small) that I as the buyer should inspect while on my search for one?
Make sure the idgit that owned it before didn't use it as a tillage implement LOL:) What I mean is, too many guys get the idea that they should run the rake too hard down in the dirt trying to pick up every straw or blade of grass off the field, and ruin the rake in the process... running it too low just beats the h3ll out of the tine bar bearings and the one-way clutches on the wheel hubs, and the little U-joints and cross-shaft that connects the two wheels. It can also rag on the driveshaft from the RH wheel up to the gearbox, but it's a little heavier U-joint, but the connection (roll pin or round pin with an R clip) will get awfully sloppy if it's been run too hard like that... Look for bent/broken beat up tines, loose tines, etc. Grab the bars, each in turn, and pull up and down on each end, one by one, to check the bearings for excess runout or bearings that are gone... Grab the bars one by one and try "twisting" them, or grab a tine and push straight backwards and pull forwards on it, and look for looseness or "twist" in the bars that indicates excess bearing slop or shot bar bearings. 256's have single ball bearings in each end of the bar, 258's are a foot wider (8.5 vs. 7.5 foot raking width) and have double ball bearings in each end of the bar. Roll the basket over a few times and feel for binding, listen for bearings squeaking or rumbling or grinding in the bars. Grab the star wheel on either end that the bars are attached to and rock them forward and backward, again to check bearing play/runout. A little is tolerable, but not much. Those are tapered roller bearings and should be good, but it's best to check. Check the gearbox end too, check for grease and the driveshaft yokes and U-joints for excess slop-- some is tolerable but shouldn't be TOO sloppy... grab the wheels and yank the top of them side to side to see if the stub axles and hub bushings have ever been greased or are shot and too much excess play/wore out. Check the stub axle housing wheel bearings that everything is running true and not cockeyed indicating a shot tapered roller bearing, and that the nuts are snug setting the preload on the bearings. Inspect the little cross-shaft U-joints on the driveshaft connecting the two wheels, to make sure the U-joints aren't about to fall apart or are knocked out and hopefully have seen a grease gun once or twice in their life LOL:) Check all the pin connections where those U-joints hook to the shafts, twist them back and forth and look for excess slop or egged out pin holes in the stub axles that they pin to. Check the LH hub for excess looseness like the RH one, and make sure the roll pin holding the hub onto the stub axle is present and accounted for (the wheel will fall right off if it isn't LOL, and they can get sloppy over time and start "wandering" around in the hole....

Check the cranks up top and the BELLCRANKS that transition 90 degrees from the spring-loaded pull forward on the leveling cranks to the vertical straps that hold up the basket and set it's height... make sure those aren't shot... if the crank is leaning over in the hole, that's not good... it should be straight and true, but they do wear out over time and they don't provide a grease zerk on those for some reason (at least I've never seen one on there!) The pivot bolts to the frame and it's the part that usually wears out egg shaped and lets the crank flop over sideways, which means the basket won't ride up and down like it should... had to buy one of those on an old rake I bought and I wasn't cheap as I recall...

Other than that, check the tongue and frame... make sure some idgit didn't try to flip the rake up on top of a tractor tire turning too tight... if the guy pulled it with a drawbar on the 2 point, make sure he didn't turn too tight and twist the hitch around, stress or crack it, or the frame where the hitch attaches to it, which can happen (I did it one time as a kid myself-- had to weld it up myself as well!) Other than that, give the leveling cranks a whirl and make sure they're not locked up. If you can, raise the rear wheels one by one or back the thing up with it in gear, and listen for the ratchet clutches in BOTH HUBS to be clicking, indicating that the clutch dogs in them are free and capable of latching into the wheel hubs to drive the rake from BOTH wheels... hubs and clutch dogs can also get REALLY ragged out from a rake that's been run "down in the dirt" too long... and they can get rusty or jam if the rake was rode hard and put up wet. You should hear a distinct "click,click,click" from both of them backing up WITH THE RAKE IN GEAR, which locks the driveshaft to the gearbox, which forces the wheel hubs to turn backwards on the stub axles as the rake is backed up. When the rake is pulled forward, the clutch dogs should "catch" in the hubs and the hub push them to turn the stub axle housings, cross-shaft, and driveshaft to spin the rake basket. Every side-delivery I've ever seen scraped a little or made noise of teeth raking on the stripper bars, but it SHOULD NOT bind or pop or anything like that which indicates something is bent or busted or a shot bearing...

Other than that, not much to go wrong with 'em... sounds like a lot, but really once you know what to look for, you can go over one stem to stern in about five minutes...

Later! OL J R :)
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I had a NH 55, which is the 3 point version of the 56... couldn't get rid of it fast enough... not enough capacity and if you twist and turn a lot in the field (irregularly shaped fields) it starts leaving "bell shaped" ends real quick... the drag-type rakes make a tighter corner as you turn because they swing "toward" the tractor into the turn due to being pulled behind it (swing "to the right" as the tractor turns right, squaring up the corner). The 3 point mounted rakes swing AWAY from the tractor as it turns the corner, making a wider corner or turn, which only gets worse on successive passes... because the rake is mounted on the 3 point BEHIND the tractor rear axle, and thus swings the opposite way the tractor turns...

If you're square raking in long rows and turning on the ends it's fine, but if you rake round-n-round you'll HATE the thing, or doing irregular fields with lots of curves around stuff, because if you turn to the left the rake swings right and makes the curve tighter with each pass, and if you turn left the rake swings right and makes the curve broader on each pass... total PITA IMHO...

Later! OL J R :)
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