[paul_m]

Youtube thought I would be interested in this:

Arcusin MultiPack Vs Bale Baron - YouTube

Very informative video, quite the differences between the two machines.

Moisture tolerance of the baron bundles is mentioned in the comments.

 

[JOR Farm]

Interesting video but there is no way under the sun I'd swap my arcusin for a baron. I literally could put every part that would have to come from arcusin in a 5 gallon bucket. Everything else could be sourced easily local. Also on the bale size I can bundle 30 inchers then 48 with ease. I've pulled mine in a straw field with a 5200 John Deere it doesn't get much smaller than that. Arcusin service tech Micha is better than any service person I have ever dealt with. I have a steffen systems grapple but prefer my squeeze, with it I handle 28 bales with no bagging and it squares the bundles up nicely. I am sure there's more benefits I am forgetting but the most important is cost my arcusin D-14 cost half what the self contained bale baron model was. I am fast enough to keep up with 2 inlines so unless I expand my operation no need for faster bundler.

 

[Trillium Farm]

Interesting video but there is no way under the sun I'd swap my arcusin for a baron. I literally could put every part that would have to come from arcusin in a 5 gallon bucket. Everything else could be sourced easily local. Also on the bale size I can bundle 30 inchers then 48 with ease. I've pulled mine in a straw field with a 5200 John Deere it doesn't get much smaller than that. Arcusin service tech Micha is better than any service person I have ever dealt with. I have a steffen systems grapple but prefer my squeeze, with it I handle 28 bales with no bagging and it squares the bundles up nicely. I am sure there's more benefits I am forgetting but the most important is cost my arcusin D-14 cost half what the self contained bale baron model was. I am fast enough to keep up with 2 inlines so unless I expand my operation no need for faster bundler.

I'm with you, the Baron suits HIS operation better as he ships most of his hay in trailers, but unless most of your business is like that,
I'd use an Arcusin instead any day. Not saying that the Baron isn't good, but for the reasons you mentioned for most people I think the Arcusin
would be more suitable.

 

[JOR Farm]

I hear you Trillium. I haul a lot of mulch and straw in my Van's and I don't have much trouble loading them although I have learned if I have to pack them in it's harder for the customer to unload. I watched arcusin demo the new E-14 at an expo back in the fall and it now has 5 knotters and a different rear door pressure plate both of which should solve some of the problems he was complaining about. I mostly run mine with an old 4000 JD power shift and as long as you're paying attention I can keep it operating at max with 1 bale sliding on the ground waiting it's turn.

 

[Onthayman]

I thought it was an interesting comparison and like all of us in the hay business you got to use what works best for your operation. Both machines have their pluses and minuses.
Speaking from experience and reading the comments from his YouTube page the biggest thing will come down to moisture levels and how it’s handled. We have a Baron but also kept our Kuhn system. We can start baling early with the old system , we then can figure who that will go to at a later time it’s just “ get er done” and in the barn with weather coming. The Kuhn bales are less tight better air movements.He’s right 15 percent on your moisture meter is about all you dare go plus we add 4 points on what our baler says when putting it through the baron. We don’t even have an automatic opinion on the spray ,every bale gets preserve . I don’t care if it’s cost me 25 cents a bale or 40 cents a bale of preserve a crappie dusty bale is worth nothing.
I wonder if he just might keep one of the other units around for those not so good drying days.

 

[Trillium Farm]

I thought it was an interesting comparison and like all of us in the hay business you got to use what works best for your operation. Both machines have their pluses and minuses.
Speaking from experience and reading the comments from his YouTube page the biggest thing will come down to moisture levels and how it’s handled. We have a Baron but also kept our Kuhn system. We can start baling early with the old system , we then can figure who that will go to at a later time it’s just “ get er done” and in the barn with weather coming. The Kuhn bales are less tight better air movements.He’s right 15 percent on your moisture meter is about all you dare go plus we add 4 points on what our baler says when putting it through the baron. We don’t even have an automatic opinion on the spray ,every bale gets preserve . I don’t care if it’s cost me 25 cents a bale or 40 cents a bale of preserve a crappie dusty bale is worth nothing.
I wonder if he just might keep one of the other units around for those not so good drying days.

I think his biggest concern was bundling and truck loading and for this the baron's bundle is tighter and hold 21 bales vs 14.
Also as JOR mentioned the new E14 with 5knotters & additional back pressure ought to eliminate sag.
Also we don't know what "Incentives" were offered, at $70K over Arcusin adding to that the need for higher hp tractor and it would make anyone pause.
I'm on the KISS (keep it simple stupid) side the simpler the better for me. In the end it's a tool and as such it will fit one use better than another.
I'd take either one if free If I have to pay I'd go with less $$