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#1 alla0506

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 07:28 AM

Hello everyone new to the site.  I'm sure its been asked but here goes.  I've had a New Holland 848 round baler for years and have made thousands of bales with little to no trouble. I have run it with 65 pto hp since i have owned it.  but its time to "upgrade".  i would like a 4x5 belt baler with net wrap.  Im not opposed to any brand but New Holland and John Deere dealers are the closest to our farm.  Iwould rather not have to upgrade tractor with this.  i've been looking at the New Holland 640/ 644/ 648 models but not sure if they run harder than my 848.  Thanks in advance. 


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Posted 20 January 2021 - 07:53 AM

Welcome to HayTalk alla0506!  I can't offer advice on your question, but several others will be along who will be able to offer some good input.


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Posted 20 January 2021 - 08:14 AM

Welcome Al to HT.

 

Maybe this will have no bearing on your question, but how heavy is your tractor?  The reason being, is maybe the newer balers you mention could be either heavier or lighter (witch would be good).  I think you will love NW, once you get a baler that does NW.

 

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#4 alla0506

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 08:50 AM

Thanks to you both. Best I can figure tractor weighs 7000 give or take.

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 09:23 AM

I guess to answer the tractor question. Been running a Ford 5200 but just bought a new Holland workmaster 75 cab fwd loader. List very similar hp to the 5200.

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 10:38 AM

Get a new RB450! 
I just took the plunge.

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 11:09 AM

Tractor horsepower is going to be a limiting factor here. In my experience, New Holland is not very realistic about the minimum power requirements for their round balers. I saw that with the BR balers, the Roll Belt balers take a bit more power yet but NH hasn’t increased the minimum hp rating. My experience is with the 5x6 baler where I think NH is 20 low with their min power requirement. Lower power will make bales but in adverse conditions you won’t get max capacity out of the baler. That all fine as long as you never get into a race with the weather.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 02:12 PM

I ran a BR740A and a BR7060 with a 65 HP case 685. It worked the tractor hard, and I have hills but I got it done will I could upgrade to a newer/bigger tractor... The BR series does take more HP than the 600 series balers. I had a 650 and that was an easier pull than the BR...

  I do have a BR7060 that had a tailgate fire. I am finishing the rebuild then it will be for sale. I am in Lancaster County...



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Posted 20 January 2021 - 02:12 PM

Get a new RB450! 
I just took the plunge.

What dealer did you get it from? 



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Posted 20 January 2021 - 02:53 PM

Get a new RB450! 
I just took the plunge.

Good Deal 


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#11 alla0506

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 06:57 PM

Thanks everyone!  i think the BR's are out of my price range to be honest.  The 600 series sounds like it may be a bit more comparable to the 848 for power consumption...probably a bit more?  are there any john deere or even the older (late 90's) vermeer that compare?  



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Posted 20 January 2021 - 10:38 PM

Get a new RB450! 
I just took the plunge.


You're going to love that baler

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 11:41 PM

We had a NH 640 we did run it once with our 656 gas that's around 65hp and it worked it hard. Usually used our 856 100hp most of the time and it was a good fit. Had around 11000 bales on it when we had to replace sledge roll bearings and another one and belts were showing age. Always stored inside and never had been rained on. Also had a few other issues. So just something to think about.

How about a Hesston?

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Posted 21 January 2021 - 07:31 AM

The 600 NH's will serve you well. I still run a 25 year old 650 and it does a good job, it is not net though. The bale pictured was made last month and I backed the pressure off as I was not sure how the baler would react on a cold day.

 

 

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Posted 21 January 2021 - 07:42 AM

I have a 648 and do mostly baleage, had a 330 JD for quite a while and to me the 648 runs easier but I have a 6400 JD that I mostly use for baling. I also have a Case 1594 that would run the JD baler but the 648 kills it so not too sure about 65 horse as both of mine are 85. The 648 is quite a bit heavier but has advantages with the wide pickup which doesn't seem to plug up easily and if for some reason you have to stop in the middle of a bale the NH is very easy to start but with the JD you'd have to dump it out and start over, it always seemed like it took more on the pto for the JD but somehow pulled easier for my older tractor.



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Posted 21 January 2021 - 08:05 AM

We had a NH 640 we did run it once with our 656 gas that's around 65hp and it worked it hard. Usually used our 856 100hp most of the time and it was a good fit. Had around 11000 bales on it when we had to replace sledge roll bearings and another one and belts were showing age. Always stored inside and never had been rained on. Also had a few other issues. So just something to think about.

How about a Hesston?

What round baler do you have now? I heard some not so great stuff on the 450 balers...



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Posted 21 January 2021 - 09:14 AM

Good Deal 

Now to find a used 4x4 square
 



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Posted 21 January 2021 - 10:42 AM

Hello everyone new to the site.  I'm sure its been asked but here goes.  I've had a New Holland 848 round baler for years and have made thousands of bales with little to no trouble. I have run it with 65 pto hp since i have owned it.  but its time to "upgrade".  i would like a 4x5 belt baler with net wrap.  Im not opposed to any brand but New Holland and John Deere dealers are the closest to our farm.  Iwould rather not have to upgrade tractor with this.  i've been looking at the New Holland 640/ 644/ 648 models but not sure if they run harder than my 848.  Thanks in advance. 

Back in the day when I first started on my own I had A New Idea Round Baler. The local New Holland dealer used to rent round balers and we would rent one and run 2 balers on a busy day . We used just about every NH there is and IMO it would best to stay away from the 640 that was the first generation of belt balers for NH . We could  not bale anything wet or any type of straw  with that generation of bales . I would focus on  NH 644 or Newer



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Posted 21 January 2021 - 03:53 PM

All the info definetly helps.  Thanks everyone for the input.   Al



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Posted 21 January 2021 - 05:22 PM

I have a 648 and do mostly baleage, had a 330 JD for quite a while and to me the 648 runs easier but I have a 6400 JD that I mostly use for baling. I also have a Case 1594 that would run the JD baler but the 648 kills it so not too sure about 65 horse as both of mine are 85. The 648 is quite a bit heavier but has advantages with the wide pickup which doesn't seem to plug up easily and if for some reason you have to stop in the middle of a bale the NH is very easy to start but with the JD you'd have to dump it out and start over, it always seemed like it took more on the pto for the JD but somehow pulled easier for my older tractor.

What model JD rd baler were you attempting to bale with?? Was hay higher than 17% moisture?

 

Since 1987 I've stopped/started my JD rd balers with a partial & full bale inside many times with no problems. I only bale hay under 16% moisture.  I've also rd baled with my JD 467 MWPU baler on near level ground with my 64 pto HP Kubota M7040 with no power problems when my regular baling tractor AC was inoperable. I make 5.5' diameter bales. I'm thankful there are no sledge rollers/brgs/gears to fail on a JD rd baler.


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