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#1 gradyjohn

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Posted 18 January 2021 - 11:32 PM

My tractor sometimes cranks right up and other times it acts like fuel starved. You know like you ran out of diesel and filled the tank and didn't prime.



#2 pettibone

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Posted 19 January 2021 - 06:25 AM

If your fuel tank is lower than the engine, maybe the fuel line is getting porous and letting fuel drain back to the tank? Just had that issue on an other JD machine, changing the fuel lines solved my problem.



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Posted 19 January 2021 - 06:46 AM

If your fuel tank is lower than the engine, maybe the fuel line is getting porous and letting fuel drain back to the tank? Just had that issue on an other JD machine, changing the fuel lines solved my problem.

 

If this machine was a decade newer that might be an option. This tractor has metal lines connected with rubber boots. Not the braided lines of the mid 90's. I'm waiting for txjim to chime in. OP left a lot to be desired in not telling us what he has done if anything. Some options, dirt plugging lines, plugged fuel filters, shut off sticking, lifter pump. Need just a bit more info.



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Posted 19 January 2021 - 08:32 AM

Does fuel level in tank affect starting time required? My 1st guess is faulty fuel check valve at fuel filter inlet. What is your tractors engine serial #? I didn't locate check valve on tractor in lower engine serial # range but a check valve could be added if not present. I've also witnessed worn lift pump cause slow starting.

 

The metal fuel supply line has been known to have rust damage causing hole allowing air to enter fuel line. I've witnessed this happen with little to no fuel leakage



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Posted 19 January 2021 - 09:15 AM

Does this tractor have an electric fuel pump?  If so he could try just turning the key on for a few seconds, before cranking.  Secondly, does the non-start issue seem worse the longer the tractor is sitting?

 

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Posted 19 January 2021 - 09:26 AM

4450 came from factory with manual lift pump mounted on inj pump. I've never seen an electric lift pump mounted on these model tractors but I'll agree that there's a 1st time for everything.


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Posted 19 January 2021 - 11:17 AM

Does fuel level in tank affect starting time required? My 1st guess is faulty fuel check valve at fuel filter inlet. What is your tractors engine serial #? I didn't locate check valve on tractor in lower engine serial # range but a check valve could be added if not present. I've also witnessed worn lift pump cause slow starting.

 

The metal fuel supply line has been known to have rust damage causing hole allowing air to enter fuel line. I've witnessed this happen with little to no fuel leakage

Ser No RG6466T330985 Maybe right now I could go out and it fires right up. It has to be getting air in the lines somewhere … so check valve could me the issue especially if the tank is low. Don't want to have to turn off the fuel valve off every time like we use to do on those old Ford 8n and 9n's. :rolleyes:



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Posted 19 January 2021 - 12:53 PM

I guess turning off the fuel at the pump would be one way to see if the fuel leaks out of the line, it would still leak if there was a hole between shutoff and tank. A guy I know has a 4440, I think it is, had same type of trouble. He ended up changing IP and found a bunch of rust in the tank. Also the Machine I said had a similar problem  had hydraulic lines for fuel lines and still leaked



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Posted 19 January 2021 - 05:02 PM

I didn't see a check valve on fuel system for your tractors engine serial #. I'd suggest turning fuel off when engine isn't running for extended period of time as a test 


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Posted 19 January 2021 - 05:29 PM

. Don't want to have to turn off the fuel valve off every time like we use to do on those old Ford 8n and 9n's. 

 

Electric fuel shut-off would make it easy to have it turned off/on, but............................................... could be a future headache, too.

 

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Posted 19 January 2021 - 06:20 PM

does it shut off instantly or slowly die? definite sign of air in fuel if it keeps trying for a few seconds. my guess is leak between inj. pump and tank. check all lines, clamps , filters, and water separator. sooner or later not only won't start turns to won't run. like everyone is saying steel lines can leak.



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Posted 19 January 2021 - 10:38 PM

I’d check delivery valve in the injection pump. If it’s getting weak some times it’ll pop off and sometimes could crank for 30 seconds

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 08:41 AM

Electric fuel shut-off would make it easy to have it turned off/on, but............................................... could be a future headache, too.

 

Larry

IMHO electric fuel shut off wouldn't cure fuel bleed back from filter to tank especially if supply line is at fault.



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Posted 20 January 2021 - 08:46 AM

I’d check delivery valve in the injection pump. If it’s getting weak some times it’ll pop off and sometimes could crank for 30 seconds

Are you aware 4450 has a Robert Bosch piston type inj pump? I'm not very knowledgeable about this type pump but I think it doesn't have a delivery valve,



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Posted 20 January 2021 - 12:00 PM

Are you aware 4450 has a Robert Bosch piston type inj pump? I'm not very knowledgeable about this type pump but I think it doesn't have a delivery valve,


I was thinking it was a rotary, sorry

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 03:03 PM

I was thinking it was a rotary, sorry

No apology required. I guessed you probably thought it was possible it would have a rotary IP.   

 

Due to my having owned a 4255 with similar IP since '93 & prior JD dealer employment I had a large advantage over you & a lot of other members.

 

Your mention of faulty fuel delivery valve is very valid on engines with rotary IP 







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