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#1 stack em up

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Posted 10 August 2020 - 09:43 PM


From AgWeb. Cuz apparently from now on I’m gonna have to make sure I’m not on Candid Camera when I need to drain the main vein in the tractor.

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Posted 10 August 2020 - 10:00 PM

Amazing is all I can say.................

 

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Posted 11 August 2020 - 05:45 AM

Wow :o

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Posted 11 August 2020 - 09:42 AM

That's asinine.  SCOTUS ruled that 4th amendment rights only extend to your immediate dwelling and not the land you own and pay taxes on?  BULL$H!T I says.



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Posted 20 August 2020 - 05:27 PM

Three words:  Spanish Fighting Bulls.  Guaranteed to put trespassers, rogue game wardens, and sickly looking vegans on the run.

 

This is the first I have heard of the Open Fields Doctrine.  Surprised me.  I would have thought that any type of surveillance required a warrant.



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Posted 20 August 2020 - 06:12 PM

Good find stack. This is another land grab just like the navigable waters act. This is everyones future in dealings with the government. Just sickening. 

 

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Posted 21 August 2020 - 08:20 AM

The latest.

 

https://ij.org/press...n-private-land/

 

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Posted 21 August 2020 - 09:31 PM

So in other words if you find a camera on your property tie a rag over the lenses and walk away so they can’t get you for destruction of property.

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Posted 22 August 2020 - 03:28 AM

So in other words if you find a camera on your property tie a rag over the lenses and walk away so they can’t get you for destruction of property.

 

Place something over the camera from the backside and remove it then remove the batteries and then the sim card. Then go bury it. Then deny you know what they are talking about. NO proof. The fellas in the article admitted to removing the cameras. 

 

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Posted 22 August 2020 - 07:48 AM

Place something over the camera from the backside and remove it then remove the batteries and then the sim card. Then go bury it. Then deny you know what they are talking about. NO proof. The fellas in the article admitted to removing the cameras. 

 

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Similar to the three S's, in my neck of the woods................. make the bury part is like Jimmy Hoffa, except take a good heat source to the sim card first (acetylene torch comes to mind).  Melted, it would be un-recoverable for certain.  ;)

 

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Posted 22 August 2020 - 09:00 PM

Thinking about this some more in the one article they land owners said the wardens trimmed tree branches I would think that is destruction of property? It’s no wonder why some people hate law enforcement so much.
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Posted 23 August 2020 - 11:48 AM

 I knew the DNR had more power than the state police as they can come on your property anytime they want, I did not know this included surveillance



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Posted 23 August 2020 - 02:24 PM

If you do not live in one of these 5 states, then the DNR or any other Wildlife agency can then trespass on you and spy on you without recourse according to Wiki.

 

 

Rejections of doctrine by state courts[edit]

Since Oliver, the highest courts of MontanaNew YorkOregon and Vermont, as well as a Washington state appeals court, have held that the open-fields doctrine does not apply in those states due to their state constitutions granting greater protections to citizens (under dual sovereignty a state may grant its citizens more rights than those guaranteed in the federal constitution). Since Katz grounded privacy in persons rather than places, they argue, landowners who have taken affirmative steps to exclude the public such as fencing or posting the bounds assert a privacy interest sufficient to prevail over any warrantless search of the property where common exceptions such as hot pursuit and plain view do not apply. Some of those opinions have been critical of not only Oliver but Hester.

In a 2017 concurring opinion where the doctrine did not come into play in overturning a Wisconsin farmer's convictions for threatening two state game wardens he believed had been illegal hunters trespassing on his land, Justice Rebecca Grassl of that state's Supreme Court was highly critical of it.[14]

 

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Posted 24 August 2020 - 12:41 PM

Nice try but I’m staying where I’m at :P
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Posted 24 August 2020 - 03:50 PM

Same here, no trespassing signs pretty much allow you to shed liability for folks trespassing but they can’t stop game wardens, surveyors, fire fighters etc. Peace officers - anything they can see from public property (hot debate these days w drones etc) that would justify a search gets them onto property.

Big one here is fire, drug dealers piss off neighbours but police can’t do anything so neighbours call and report smoke coming from house. FD shows up and they do search of property for the fire. Any drug stuff they see has to be reported. Or the less fancy areas the neighbours will set a fire. Across the river from me they were fed up so set the dealers two cars on fire in the yard.

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Posted 24 August 2020 - 04:38 PM

Welcome to "2020"--the live version of "1984".

 

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Posted 29 August 2020 - 09:54 PM

My parents used to play cards with our former chief of police. He said a game warden has literally just a little bit less power than the President. That’s nuts when you think of it.

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Posted 30 August 2020 - 11:07 AM

My parents used to play cards with our former chief of police. He said a game warden has literally just a little bit less power than the President. That’s nuts when you think of it.

 

The reasoning behind that is that most everyone they meet out in "the field" is armed. Almost always they are working solo. And when the laws were written there were no field communications between the officers and headquarters. Since that early time they have used field radios and now cell phones. They need to be reeled in somewhat....especially about trespassing on private property without legitimate probable cause.

 

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This is a snippet from a Game Warden article on ESPN.

 

"Federal statistics show that game wardens and Drug Enforcement Administration agents have the highest risk of death on the job. The game warden is three times more likely to be killed by gunfire in the line of duty than the California Highway Patrol officer."


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Posted 31 August 2020 - 01:57 PM

A couple of years ago I talked to the game warden that's been in my area trying to quell poaching. As we talked I asked if he had been through my area and he said, "Yeah, seen all of your stands." I thought 'wow' didn't know he had been there but definitely not a problem because he won't catch me for violations. All I asked him to do is stay away from my stands during the rut. Then one day I was hunting and he went by me. I asked him later, "How come you didn't say hi when you went by? I thought you knew where all my stands were." He prided himself on being stealthy and I could tell it stung when I told him he was neither stealthy or saw me :)
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Posted 01 September 2020 - 08:26 PM

 
This is a snippet from a Game Warden article on ESPN.
 
"Federal statistics show that game wardens and Drug Enforcement Administration agents have the highest risk of death on the job. The game warden is three times more likely to be killed by gunfire in the line of duty than the California Highway Patrol officer."[/size]

I certainly believe the snippet, but considering it’s source, it probably preceded an attempt to sway people as to why we need to get guns out of our society. Bunch of morons....I’ve been through with ESPN since that idiot used Monday night football halftime to berate the populous on the evils of guns.




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