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#1 acarpenter

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Posted 04 May 2020 - 06:44 PM

Looking at getting a new-to-me 90-100 HP (75-80 PTO HP) hay tractor with cab, 4x4, & loader and wanted to see what was Hay Talk approved these days. Trying to stay within a couple of years old and maybe get something with some warranty. Depending on the discounts available, may end up going new. 

 

Chores on the farm will include:

1. Running mounted 8 ft disc mower (hoping to upgrade to 9 ft next year)

2. Round Baler - NH 644 4x5 baler

3. Square Baler - Case-IH SB541 w/ Kuhns accumulator

4. Kuhns 510F square bale grapple (10 bale flat) 

5. Bush Hog BH27 Rotary Cutter 

 

Close by, I've got good John Deere, New Holland, and Kubota/Case-IH dealers. I've dealt with all of them in the past and don't really have a preference:

1. 2019 JD 5090E - Local dealer has some rental returns with less than 10 hours on them. Doesn't have a loader, but is loader ready

2. Kubota M5-091

3. Case-IH Farmall 90C

4. New Holland T4-90 (or T4-100) is also on the list (but I think those are called Powerstars now).  

 

I went into this liking the Kubota, but when I compared it to the others, it was a LOT lighter. Surprisingly, the value-minded 5090E is the heaviest of the models listed above. 

 

I'm mostly worried about the square baler; it will push around my JD 4020 & A-C 190XT in thick hay.  I'm keeping the 4020 w/ loader so I can use it on the sq baler & grapple, if I had to. I'm probably going to get rid of the 190XT as part of this deal.  I know I am downsizing, but the AC is honestly a little bulky and I would actually like a move to a more utility-sized tractor so I won't tear up the countryside during the winter. Any thoughts on any of these models? Am I nuts for considering the 5090E?

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Posted 04 May 2020 - 07:35 PM

I’m not a fan of the T4 unless they have fixed some stuff. Nice tractor when working but early ones had lots of broken control cables and wiring issues. Friends spent as much time broken as running the first couple of years. Sent him an old TL or something to run while they fixed it. He ended up telling them to keep it the maybe 10th time they took it back after it quit moving.
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 07:46 PM

Kubota 7000 lbs and the JD 8000 lbs, I wouldn’t get too hung up over that if you prefer dealers or one tractor over the other. Our neighbours have an M5-111 cab etc they got last year w cast wheels and loader. Works well, he’s been using my offset disc with it. Another friend has the 100 hp M series JD with auto steer on it, been a really good tractor too after they fixed the dragging brakes. I couldn’t tell what you give up on the E from an M.
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 11:31 PM

I would consider the Deere but I would rather have the M...does it have one or two SCV? Make sure it not only has the mid-mount hydraulics for loader but also the left hand reverser....it’s not really “loader ready” unless it has LHR, IMO
I haven’t heard anything bad about the newer ones like in the pic....they did have some issues with the earlier ones that were tier 4....
The Kubota is a good tractor but it’s not a Deere...there’s a reason why it’s lighter, it’s build is lighter. That’s good in some instances but bad in others. Pro’s and Con’s to both... I haven’t had anything bad out of Kubota, they make very good equipment but make no mistake they aren’t built as good as the Deere....they also aren’t priced out of sight like the Deere. Again there are those Pro’s and Con’s. I suppose it would come down to price and resell value for me....the Deere is probably the best of the bunch in my opin but any of them would probably fit the bill....that NH doesn’t have the smurf blue seats does it? That alone would be a deal breaker for me :o good luck with your decision, tell the dealer you want to rent one for a week and if you want it, take the rental off of the purchase price, if not pay the rental and move on....I’ve rented several vehicles before I bit the bullet on buying one. Hth
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Posted 05 May 2020 - 05:31 AM

Another vote for the M series   LFR a definite requirement.  I am pulling what you are except I have a kicker and sometime 160+ bales pushing on me.  Hasn’t been an issue for my 6115M was slightly more for my previous JD6100D 2wd with 38 rears


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Posted 05 May 2020 - 06:06 AM

I’d get the John Deere. The green paint has a way of “legitimizing” you as a real farmer. 
You’ll get tired of being called a “Kubota farmer” if you buy a Kubota.   :D
Id be looking at Fendt.  :D They blow everyone away. I mentioned Fendt because we have some guys with Nancy Pelosi wealth.  :lol: 
 

But seriously, just get the tractor that suits your needs best. Brand loyalty is so stupid, but some people live their lives to buy every tractor and attachment the same color just so it looks good. Lol  

There are 2 very large operators in my area that would tease me for not owning Deere and now guess what? They own Fendt and AGCO brands. One keeps texting me about “how much do you like your Kubota”......Now I tease them “what happened to your Deere God equipment?”  :D 
But seriously,
Someone mentioned weight, which is important. Let’s say you want your final tractor weight to be 8000lbs.  Let’s say tractor X weighs 7000lb and costs 70k and tractor Y weights 8000lbs and costs 80k. If final desired weight is 8k, purty sure it wouldn’t take a genius to understand you can add cast rims and wheel weights for $1/pound or a front weight rack to tractor X for $2000 to equal tractor Y’s weight, but you’re $8,000 ahead.
Now if you need a 11,000lb tractor, probably none of them are heavy enough and you need to step up in size across the board. 
For baling and loader work, I like the best transmission set up. It’s essential to get the right speed. If a 16 or 24 speed is available, I’d want that over a 12 speed. Are all transmissions hydraulic reverser type or a dry clutch? What transmission is best suited for you? Do you do a lot of loader work? 

Then there’s the dealer. Do your homework and investigate the dealers reputation for service and parts. In my little fly-over town, the oldest, dirtiest most outdated looking dealer has the best most caring service people and the biggest shiniest dealer is a box full of jerks. 
Bottom line, take out a piece of paper and write down what features YOU really need, the price of each, and investigate the dealer. All the brands you listed are fine. Deere is probably universally the most desired and recognized of all tractors. Most everyone thinks they’re still “Murrican made”, too.  :rolleyes: 
Good luck and no matter what brand you buy, they’re all really good and you won’t go wrong. 


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Posted 05 May 2020 - 07:09 AM

I’m not a fan of the T4 unless they have fixed some stuff.

I'd look at the T5 verses T4, used to be basically same tractor, just heavier built.

 

does it have one or two SCV? Make sure it not only has the mid-mount hydraulics for loader but also the left hand reverser....it’s not really “loader ready” unless it has LHR, IMO

that NH doesn’t have the smurf blue seats does it? That alone would be a deal breaker for me

At a minimum 2 (if not  3) SCVs, mid-mount hy, loader ready, left hand reverses AND at least 16 (if not 24+) speed tranny, or CVT.  I'm also a fan of the hi-visibly cabs for loader work, beats bending your neck while laying on the steer wheel so much.

 

Now,  as far as the smurf seats, IDK, some  women like the tractor seats to match your pretty blue eyes (at least in MY case :cool:).  Seems to make some guys a little jealous even. :P

 

As far as tractor weight, JD hit the nail on the head, ballast can be added (or removed if not needed for some operations for that matter).  And look at AGCO and other colors (your dealer support would be highly involved in this situation).

 

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Posted 05 May 2020 - 07:32 AM

Thanks for the comments, gang.  The 5090E's each have 24 speeds with reversers in them. However, I'm doing everything now with a 4020 synchro & AC190XT so I'm used to only having 8 speeds!  I understand about adding weight, but I'd probably add some weights to the wheels on the JD, too, so there is still a delta. I'm a Kubota fan so I'm not trying to bash them!  I ran by there this weekend and they had an M5-111 on the lot. It looked very nice.  


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Posted 05 May 2020 - 08:08 AM

Someone should mention it, coming from an older tractor, strongly consider clean used mid-2000’s tractors without all the emissions stuff. They are getting better all the time making the emissions systems reliable but it’s still more stuff to go wrong.
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Posted 05 May 2020 - 08:14 AM

I'm with JD3430 if you're looking at JD take a good look at Fendt, I'd take the latter over the former any day! Also as he said you can add weight if needed and IMO unless you're tilling the Kubota's weight won't be a problem.


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Posted 05 May 2020 - 11:00 AM

Someone should mention it, coming from an older tractor, strongly consider clean used mid-2000’s tractors without all the emissions stuff. They are getting better all the time making the emissions systems reliable but it’s still more stuff to go wrong.

This is actually exactly where I started. Just having a cab will be an improvement for me! 

 

Bad part is by the time I find one with less than 2000 hours, I might as well buy a new(er) one that still has some warranty.  I know that is an indicator of how much simpler the older ones are though. I am hoping that the reliability in the Tier IV final emissions systems has gotten better in the last couple of years.  

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Posted 05 May 2020 - 12:05 PM

This is actually exactly where I started. Just having a cab will be an improvement for me! 

 

Bad part is by the time I find one with less than 2000 hours, I might as well buy a new(er) one that still has some warranty.  I know that is an indicator of how much simpler the older ones are though. I am hoping that the reliability in the Tier IV final emissions systems has gotten better in the last couple of years.  

Just go by the book, many of the problems you read in all forums are self inflicted. 20+ years ago one could "tinker" now those days are gone! Even for my car I bough an OBD ll to keep up with what's going on with my vehicle. Always use the best oils & fluids saving cents will cost you $$, maybe not always, but 90% of the time, well at least that has been my experience in life.  :cool:


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Posted 05 May 2020 - 12:35 PM

I haveva kubota m8560. The earlier version of what your looking at. With the bucket, loader, and rear weights it is 11500 pounds. No fluid in any tires. Its easy to add weight.
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Posted 05 May 2020 - 07:58 PM

Only think I dislike about the Kubota M is it has the smaller 3.8L motor. I think it’s fine, but prefer the Kubotas with the 6.1L. 


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Posted 05 May 2020 - 09:15 PM

Here ya go...3 scv 154hrs, looks brand new 60k....I’d jump on that one in a heartbeat if I was looking for one. I like helping other folks spend their hard earned $ tho.....

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Posted 18 May 2020 - 09:29 PM

I got a 5100e with h240 loader 3rd function skid steer attach.. 2017 model. In like new shape no problems other than I out 1000 hrs on it so far. Really want to move up. I would let it go for 44k. Was 62ish new.

I think it still has a power train warranty for a couple of years. Has new front tires, Firestone sat2's.
I want to move up to a 6140m. The 5100e has been good just need a bigger tractor.

There is a nice new Holland t7060 in Texas asking 55k.
And a nice maxxium 140 pro in Oklahoma asking 61k. Both on tractor house. Much much much more tractor than what you posted.

As being someone who has owned both a 5e and 5m other than the seat not much difference. And my 5m had issues with the hi/lo powershift that cost $$$$. Hydralics are the same, cab basicly the same. But you do get a slightly better seat. I think the 3 point is stronger on a 5m but I never maxed out a 5e so I would say that is moot. I think you get a 36 gallon fuel tank over a 30 gallon. Either way you can't go all day. 5m you still don't get flow control, or atleast mine didn't have it and my dealer said it wasn't an option. I think the rear end in a 5m is a little bigger but with fwa, just engaged it when pulling hard and you will run out of hp before you tear up the rear end. Also a 2016 or newer 5e will be assembled in Georgia and have a newer cab like a 5m.

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Posted 12 June 2020 - 06:22 AM

I'm no fan of the E series of John Deere above 75 hp.  They have to many issues when you need them, in my experience.  And speaking of power and weight, one of my favorite tractors was a 7410 John Deere with self leveling loader (loved it, but a real blinder at night and hard to see around sometimes), but the Valtra we had at the same time would out perform the JD in every way but comfort and they were supposedly the same hp.  At the time we were also running a 5240 CaseIH that we used to do almost all of the baling with and it would out turn the John Deere and was easier to see the implement even though the seat didn't swivel around like in the Deere.  Obviously none of those were these new models and I've only dealt with a few new John Deere's but they are right about going with the M series if you go Deere for the size your talking and they're also right you can't really go wrong with Kubota or CaseIH really, but I have heard a lot of negatives on New Holland around this size from friends, one traded because he was having trouble with his couple of years old New Holland and upgraded to a 100 hp and the PTO wouldn't even come on when he first hooked it up to his baler.


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Posted 12 June 2020 - 04:25 PM

I have a 2013 pre emissions 5093e, never any trouble, except my dad uses it a lot and he, well let's just say he's not as particular as I am.  I'll leave it at that.


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Posted 18 June 2020 - 06:54 AM

Thanks for all the comments, guys. I actually ended up with a new JD5100E that was delivered yesterday. Managed to move about 85 round bales with it late in the day with no problems.  Had to leave it out last night so I'm hoping the Owl will scare off all the birds to keep it clean for at least one day!

 

 

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 04:09 PM

I'm looking at a 5090E  with a cab and a loader at auction tomorrow. Its an online auction so early bids seem really low.

 

I was comparing it against a 2016 5085E with a loader down the road. This one is in mint shape, 6 hours on it , so I'm sure itll have a reserve and there won't be any steals.

 

This auction has alot of JDs that are very lightly used that have came back from a previous auction. Alot of nice tractors barely used aren't getting bought. The tip I had from a friend is that the more expensive equipment in my area is going for better value than the old stuff.

 

Also bidding on a massey 165 with a loader as a backup. Not the same class but my family has one that's on its last legs so I could swap parts perhaps. 


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