Educate me on New Holland stack wagons
Posted 04 November 2010 - 01:54 PM
Posted 04 November 2010 - 03:52 PM
I started out with a NH 1010 stacker wagon as a test run to see how it would work. It only handled 56 bales max, but did pretty well. I have since upgraded to a 1033 and the 105 bale loads make a big difference. I have just been setting off the stack and having my hay crew pull the bales down and run up the elevator into the barn (don't have a pole barn built yet). Given my inexperience at running the wagon and a few mechanical problems, I was getting about 2 loads (210) an hour with it. I'm sure once it gets dialed in and I get better at running it, I'll be able to go a little faster.
As for loading a truck with a wagon and hauling the hay, I don't think it would work too well. The stacks from a pull type (105 bale size) are 3 bales wide (lengthwise), 5 bales deep on edge and 7 bales tall. That would make a pretty tall stack to keep from tipping over on a truck. A stack retriever would work or another option would be a bale-grab on a loader. You could build the stack of hay at a convienient spot on the field and then load the truck or trailer with the bale-grab.
The other option (that I can think of) is to go with a self-propelled stacker wagon. They can handle up to 160 bales and run down the road at a pretty good speed. Having never run one of the self-propelled units, I don't know for sure what kind of road speeds you can get. The other folks on here will probably be able to help with that.
A couple of useful websites you could check out would be Roeder Implement, Inc and Hands Free Haying | Steffen Systems. Hope I was able to help you. I'm sure the more experienced stacker wagon operators on this site will be able to provide more information for you.
Josh in WNY
Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:37 AM
When we move hay over a distance we make a stack on the field then use our two grapples, one at each site, and start running trailers back and forth. Seems to work out well. A two wide wagon would be better for this though... Depending on what you want to spend, a large squeeze could work, seems like 60k for one though. Two grapples so long as you have the tractors would be around 6 to 8k. Self propelled machines start around 30k, and depending on what pull type you are looking around 10k.
One nice thing about stacking on a field is the ability to clear the field fast if rain is coming, then just tarp it and wait for the rain to quit. You will burn up a lot of time running 20 miles with a bale wagon.
You might read through this thread "sticky balewagon opperating thread?"
Posted 06 November 2010 - 06:05 PM
Posted 06 November 2010 - 11:33 PM
Posted 07 November 2010 - 10:25 AM
Speed -wise my 1048 loaded is good for about 35 MPH. A little faster empty. They will not unload onto a trailer as far as I know-only ground level. You would have to custom build something that you could set on the ground and then raise up and that would present a height issue going down the road unless you went with some pretty short stacks.
A block stacker and squeeze is another alternative but lots of $$$$.
25 to 30 mile runs will be a problem with just about anything. A retriever is probably your best bet for moving stacks quickly over this distance and with a minimum of labor - a great tool and will add a lot of capability to your operation.
If you are going to stack with a NH make sure your bales are solid and uniform density-it will eat soft, lose bales and your stacks will not have much integrity and will tend to lean and topple- straight grass bales can be an issue in this regard. With hay baled properly you will love stacking with these machines-fast and efficient with very few problems most of the time.
Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:24 PM
Posted 08 November 2010 - 12:20 AM
If it would work it would help me in several ways. I need to get the bales up off the ground and I wouldn't have to leave as much room between stacks as a regular retriever. It would be easier to back into my hay barn then my PT stackwagon. I could get the bales off the field faster and other then being a little wide I could deliver to nearby customers with it.
Do you think it would work?
Posted 08 November 2010 - 05:38 PM
Posted 08 November 2010 - 07:04 PM
Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:37 PM
I am pretty sure that we have been using what you are envisioning. Rodney
That is exactly what I was thinking about. Yours looks really good and I like how you found a use for the old wagon LOL. My PT has a spring loaded rolling rack but after I set a load down it stays back all the way until I let the table all the way down and sometimes I have to get out and help it along to get it to go all the way forward. So with the pallet I am sure I would have to help it every time but it would be a small price to pay for the benifits (I Think)
Posted 09 November 2010 - 05:55 PM
You need to find a truck with the right wheelbase (this one is 137 CA) and a hydraulic system on it is real nice - this was an ole DOT truck, so it had a big hyd tank, a pump and valve already, and even better - it was cheap. Many folks told me that the front end of a retriever truck will get light when the load is lifted/set down - some guys say the front axle comes several feet off the ground! This has a snowplow hitch that adds a lot of weight up front, so I've never had any trouble. Could also be used for big bales or bundles, but it has to be on pallets! What kind of floor do you plan on setting the stacks? I hope it's firm. If the 2x4's sink into the ground/chaff the stack will want to follow you. Same thing if you set them down in the field, and the forks on the truck dig into the ground. This thing was built 100% on the farm, and to my knowledge is the only one like it - are you a good welder? Things need to be welded good, and the metal needs to be heavy, especially the main body and clamp system.
Posted 09 November 2010 - 07:25 PM
Posted 09 November 2010 - 07:35 PM
I have a firetruck that I was thinking about using that would be about right. I would have to add a hyd. system in place of the water pump. With the lights and siren I could get the hay moved really quick LOL
I am a machinist/welder for a living so it shouldn't be a problem to get it to stick together.
Are your forks hinged like a stack wagon or are they rigid?
Posted 10 November 2010 - 07:28 PM
Edited by Rodney R, 10 November 2010 - 08:01 PM.
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