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Posted 11 July 2010 - 09:45 PM
1.what would be the best way for me to start custom baling?
2. I will be saving up to buy my equipment before next summer, Ive been looking at the prices of equipment and since I am a college student and have limited resources I will be buying well used equipment, I know from baling for farmers that well used equipment equals trouble but I have to start somewhere and I plan on paying for everything with cash so I won't be in debt starting out.. Do you think this would be ok for the first couple years untill I have the resources to buy new equipment?
3.What other cost would I expect besides equipment, upkeep, and fuel?
I know theres other things I probably should know so if anyone has any thoughts or sujestions I appreciate your help...thanks.
Posted 12 July 2010 - 07:05 AM
Your plan to keep costs down with used iron is ok, debt can really weigh you down. But breakdowns are bad too when you need to get the work done before the rain comes. Well maintained, used machinery will make you money and cause a lot of stess, at the same time.
Good luck. I started out much like you with little money and lots of sweat. It isn't easy but it can work.
Posted 12 July 2010 - 12:18 PM
Posted 12 July 2010 - 09:41 PM
That has not been my experience. All the custom work I know are large squares and the rate used to be $1/ft....maybe it's $1.25 per foot by now. Also, with al the wet weather the last few years, there has been a fair amount of custom work for wrapping high moisture bales. Someone told me $12/bale I think. Almost half of that is plastic cost.
....I figure most who want custom work done would want round bales....
If you are going to get into balers, you really should get a dealer to send you to baler school. You need to be able to understand and work on these things yourself.
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Posted 17 July 2010 - 03:12 AM
I will be heading down to the sell barn tomarrow and I will ask some more people about the preference of bails for custom baling and I will also check out custom wrapping... thanks.
Edited by MWest, 17 July 2010 - 03:15 AM.
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Posted 18 July 2010 - 09:55 PM
In my experience there's very little to no money to be made with doing rounds. Due to the fact that most everyone who needs rounds has their own equipment. In northwest Georgia here I make SOME money with rounds but not enough, but small squares on the other hand is where I make a killing. Small squares are a very profitable niche market due to everyone going to rounds. If it were me I'd go with round and square, trying to drum up as much square sales as possible and then rolling anything that wasn't good enough for squares. Advertise in local papers, craigslist, local farm publications to get as many pre sales as possible.
The more I research and the more people I talk with. The more I am seeing a greater need for custom small and large squares.. David in Georgia you just helped confirm some of my thaughts. I was wanting to go with mainly rounds because I raise beef cattle but far as custom work I probably would be better off and find more bussiness with small squares besides if I find someone that would rather work a split on the bales rather than paying me outright to bale I know a few places I could sell them. I think I am going to start out with small squares but I am going to get a round baler as soon as I get things a rollin..
far as the hayage I am really interested in that maybe thats something I could get into but I have more researching to do on that, thanks...
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 03:39 PM
I did something like you are talking about to go through school. But instead of doing what everyone else is, i chose to that what no one else wanted to do which was deal with the hay after bailed. Its a nitch i found in this area, and most profitable business that take off start as nitches.... Just something to think about. It is to the point that three custom guys sold their bale wagons and just hire me to do it.... You might find that with the bailing thing. I dont know....
thanks hay hauler thats an idea I would have never thaught of...thats why I posted my thughts to see if I was right or if I should fine tune them more and to gain new ideas, I must say thanks for all the great responses and ideas that never crossed my mind.
As far as labor needed for small bales I understand it may become an issue but I do have a good friend that has always worked for us off and on and I know I will always have him if I need him but right now I am considering the cost of hired help. From past experinces baling I was paid by one of two ways, either so much an hour or so much a bale. I want to be fair in paying but of course I also need to make a positive bottom line.
Any ideas or prefered methods to cut down labor cost of hired help? Keep in mind I am going to do as much as I can myself.
What is the preferred method of payment to worker(s)?
Posted 30 July 2010 - 10:11 PM
Posted 04 August 2010 - 08:26 PM
In my situation I have several extremely good square bale customers who help stack in the barn. I let them stack their hay in my barn for field price and after their hay is up they help stack and do so for the rest of the season. It guarantees sales and guarantees I have help stacking. I use a New Holland 1010 bale wagon to get the bales up but then have to stack by hand and elevator. I also have a few customers who only need a handful of bales a year which we trade out on x number of bales per hour of work.
yeah thats a good idea, we have a barn we use for feeding cattle that has a hay loft but no elavator and a big pole barn with some extra room to spare so hay storage is'nt much of a problem not forshure of how many bales I could store though.
I have been talking to my grandfather about possibly renting our bottom pasture around 10 acres or so to put in alfalfa but he kinda wants to use it for grazing, so if I get him talked into it I will have hay to sale along with my custom work...hopefully.
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