Is this just a old wives tale??
Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:00 PM
Posted 06 July 2010 - 03:23 PM
Have a steady customer that buys 250-300 round bales a year for his horses, won't feed it till ten days after its been cut.
Kind of a pain actually, when I start cutting I move enough for a few weeks for him outa one barn and into another so I can start stacking.
Posted 06 July 2010 - 04:13 PM
Some time or other there may have been a coincidental happening and they thought that is a cause and effect.
I do not like to sell hay from the field because I want the hay sweat, if it is going to, in an open pole barn rather than a tight chicken coop.
Posted 06 July 2010 - 04:41 PM
Posted 06 July 2010 - 05:11 PM
Posted 06 July 2010 - 05:53 PM
I have heard that fresh baled hay can make a horse colic, whether this is so I don't know for sure.
And there yah go, that's what my customer said. Colic is the problem and after ten days it isn't...
Course he also told me once that hay hardly ever causes colic, it's a lack of water that causes it, so go figure.
Posted 06 July 2010 - 08:41 PM
Posted 07 July 2010 - 06:37 AM
There is a little bit of truth and a little bit of false information in these post. I will try to clearify some of this as I know it. For starters, hay that needs to barn cure, usually legume or legume mix type hays take a lot longer then 10 to 14 days to cure (sweat), acutally this would be a good topic for us to look up, I have seen these numbers in articles published before, seems like it is well over a month. Horse do not have sphincter (sp.) muscles and therefore cannot burp gas out of the G.I. tract like cattle. Horses also have a very long lower G.I. tract. These combinations make any forages-feed stuffs that are prone to gut fermentation in high doses a potential problem for horses as long as it has been baled within normal dry hay ranges. In most cases feeding hay directly from the field is not a problem at all. Horses with a compromised health, older age, carbohydrate intolerance, etc. are problem animals. I think in most cases gut issues and lameness are the demise of most horses naturally as in most cases they are too large and fast of a animal for any predator to be a controlling or limiting factor.
Your post is right on with everything I've heard.
From old-timers, I've heard alfalfa hay needs to cure about 30-45 days before being fed. I would guess this is because of the bacterial activity going on in the bale during the sweat.
Hay directly from the field, e.g., busted bales, isn't a problem.
Horses cannot burp like us. Their digestive tract is strictly one way. Colic is often caused by an imbalance in the bacterial activity in their intestines causing a build up of gases. I usually get an upset stomach/diarrhea about 24-48 hours after changing drinking water, like going to some other town. My stomach feels bloated, then gassy, then....
BTW: I heard a few weeks ago that researchers now believe our appendix is used to store "good" bacteria! I had mine removed when I was 13 and now I wonder if that is why I feel more susceptible to environmental changes.
Horses only live an average of 7 years in the wild. Just like people in 3rd world countries only live to be about 30.
Posted 07 July 2010 - 10:24 AM
Posted 07 July 2010 - 04:33 PM
Posted 08 July 2010 - 12:44 AM
Posted 08 July 2010 - 09:27 AM
Posted 09 July 2010 - 07:13 AM
"Colic" is a term most people use for pretty much any problem that their horse may have in the digestive system. It can be caused from any number of reasons but I don't believe eating hay that had just been baled would be the cause. Kyle
I agree with Kyle! I usually have over 30 of the hayburners at my place and most of them are high-$$ warmbloods. I'm watching the weather right now because I've got a Tifton 85 field ready to cut. With my current hay inventory it won't sit long before it's fed.
I'm pretty picky about what I feed but that has to do with nutrition value, weed content, and type of grass. I like it to look nice because it makes my customers happy....the horses really don't care. When we bring in hay from the outside, I'm usually dealing with people I know. Coastal Bermuda and Bahia is less digestable than Tifton 85 and we shift to those bales gradually to let their digestive systems accomodate. I can count the number of "colics" we have in a year on one hand and it's usually the same horses. It's probably been three years since I called the Vet out for a colic on an adult horse. A change in the weather can cause some to colic. It's easly treatable and life goes on.
Aging bales is a good practice to keep from selling moldy hay to picky customers, but that's really the only value. I had some high moisture bales earlier this season. We salted them, spread them out, and they've all been eaten.....No colics.
Posted 09 July 2010 - 11:56 AM
Posted 09 July 2010 - 09:57 PM
Now that there are more of us, maybe we should start a forum on "horsey hay" and try to dispel some of the insane notions that some people have about what a horse will eat (damn near anything). For you guys that have to deal with the "horsey folks" at least we can probably give you some real-life examples and advice so you might be able to sell more hay. Any interest???????
Posted 09 July 2010 - 11:43 PM
Posted 13 July 2010 - 01:04 AM
Posted 13 July 2010 - 01:10 AM
Posted 13 July 2010 - 01:27 AM
Posted 14 December 2010 - 02:52 AM
the "sweats" related to the old timers putting up hay in loose stacks where they would throw loose rock.course salt on the stacks to "cure" the hay. It would actually sweat as the moisture and the heating reacted with the salt actually forming a crude preservative.
The sweats today, I think relate to hay that has beem baled too wet. If it is too wet, it will go through a heating and maybe a carmelization(sp). There is a microbial and a chamical change going on at those heats and it usually takes about a week or two for it all to settle down. But now you possibably have moldy hay that will cause horses great problems!
I have sold hay to be fed the day of baling, a week later, a month later, a year later. My customers tell me that they can't tell a difference. So I go back to the hay actually being baled dry enough to avoid the "sweatting" problems.
I live with moisture tester!! We NEVER bale above a certain moisture level, PERIOD! The weather controlls all of us.
Hope all this rambling helps.
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